Side 3 - Tror du på GUD??

Jeg er helt enig med dig, NejTilSvampe. Religion skal til enhver tid kritiseres, for der er begået så mange forbrydelser i kirken og i dens navn, at det er helt uhyggeligt, at nogle mennesker i dag kan bakke det op.

Jeg stiller mig måbende over for folks komplet manglende forståelse for historiens gang. Hvis man har læst verdenshistorien, burde man ikke kunne bakke op om hverken kongehuset eller religion.

Se den nye danske film "En kongelig affære". Den vil lære jer monarkister og religiøse en hel del.

#41 - monarkiet har jeg intet imod. Det er i effekten taget ud af kraft. Ja, vi betaler apanage, men jeg mener nu at det går til et godt formål - og det gør kirkeskat sådan set også. For både monarkiet og vores kirker virker som "turistattraktioner" eller i det mindste sætter de Danmark på verdenskortet. Derfor betaler jeg med glæde både kirkeskat og apanage.

Men jeg ville til hver en tid kæmpe mod det hvis de nogensinde forsøgte at tage magten igen på nogen måde - uanset hvor lille og ubetydeligt et område det end er. Derfor er jeg heller ikke glad for at der er så mange præster i det etiske råd - jeg synes ikke at kristendom er etisk korrekt.

Og så synes jeg at det i princippet er lige meget hvad de HAR gjort - hvad der betyder noget er hvad de står for NU.

Michael Laudrup og Aqua har også sat Danmark på verdenskortet. Men de er ikke kommet til syne på udemokratisk vis, som kongehuset er. Frederik og Mary er ikke folkevalgte mennesker. Så kan det godt være, at 80 % af befolkningen bakker kongehuset op ifølge meningsmålinger, og at de er en overskudsforretning for Danmark, men de er altså ikke valgt af folket, som vores politikere er. Man kan ikke bryste sig af at gå ind for demokrati og kongehuset på samme tid. De er ganske enkelt hinandens modsætninger.

Religoøs eller ej,man burde leve livet som det skal være.Jeg vil sammenligne religion el religiøs mennesker med sexualitet....Homo/Lebe  og  hetero/normalt mennesker. Forskellen mellem homo og hetero  er, homo mennesker altid  vænner sig ved at sige.......Jeg er gay eller lebe.....men det er omvendt som heterosexuale mennesker...der  påvises ikke deres sexualitet på den måde...

Religion synes jeg er personligt og man må ikke forstyrre andre menneskers fred og ro.....Man skal faktisk har respekt for andre menneskers religiøs overbevisning.......Kristen,muslim,atheist,buddha osv.  

En diskussion som Albert einstein havde med sin professor i sin tid (LÆS DET HELE DU VIL IKKE FORTRYDE DET):

Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From … GOD …

Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn’t.

(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

 

#46 -

sikke en omgang propagandisk pladder...

Personen der har skrevet denne dialog har en god fantasi, men forstår tydeligvist ikke den første ting mht. den videnskabelige metode.

Einstein har selv angivet at han IKKE tror på en personlig gud, og at han fordømmer alle der bruger hans navn til deres egen teologiske agenda. Han HAR dog sagt at han tror på "Spinoza's gud" - som er noget helt andet.

“I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings” -Albert Einstein

“I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion” -Albert Einstein

"The word "God" is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." -Albert Einstein

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKt9EgENzGI

Beskeden i #46 - er et KLASSISK strawman argument. Du konstruerer dit eget "mod argument" som du ved du kan destruere, for at sætte dig selv i et godt lys. Problemet er bare, der er ikke nogen der nogen sinde har påstået det du skriver i #46 !

Så du har bare en dialog med dig selv.. tillykke med det!

"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything "chosen" about them." -Albert Einstein

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." -Albert Einstein

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." -Albert Einstein

"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -Albert Einstein

"Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being." -Albert Einstein

"I am convinced that some political and social activities and practices of the Catholic organizations are detrimental and even dangerous for the community as a whole, here and everywhere. I mention here only the fight against birth control at a time when overpopulation in various countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet." -Albert Einstein

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." -Albert Einstein

.. jeg tror på at chuck norris lavede både jord og himmel på 20 sekunder.. Hvorfor skulle det være forkert, bare fordi jeg er den eneste der tror det? Jeg vil ikke tro på noget andet før du modbeviser det!!!

#46 - foresten, det er komplet irrelevant hvem der har sagt det. Dit argument er ikke et hak mere overbevisende hvis selveste einstein havde sagt det. Det kaldes en "appeal-to-authority"-fallacy.

Så det er sådan set ligegyldigt at det du skriver er et falskt citat.