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24. maj 2007 af skytteq (Slettet)
Hej alle sammen.. Jeg har været til skriftlig engelsk i dag (jeg er matematiker).. Nogle af Jer der også har været oppe i dag?? Synes nemlig at det kunne være spændende at høre hvad I andre synes om teksten Andy Comes Back..

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Svar #1
24. maj 2007 af Waterhouse (Slettet)

Synes egentlig den var udemærket af et stileoplæg at være, der skete ikke så meget, men flere forskellige psykologiske og sproglige ting man kunne hive fat i.

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Svar #2
24. maj 2007 af eightx2 (Slettet)

Tjah den var okay.. Fin at analyse, synes dog ikke jeg kunne skrive ret meget, tror i hvert fald jeg skrev mindre end hvad jeg plejer.

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Svar #3
24. maj 2007 af eightx2 (Slettet)

Vores rektor måtte endda lige afbryde os et par sekunder, da der var en skrivefejl i teksten. Et mærkeligt ord, "seerned", skulle være "seemed". Kunne sgu heller ikke se pointen i det skumle ord.

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Svar #4
24. maj 2007 af thosa (Slettet)

Synes den var ok. Der var noget at analysere. Håber ikke jeg får mindre end 11.


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Svar #5
24. maj 2007 af kirstenghg (Slettet)

Jeg synes virkelig at det var et dårligt oplæg, det manglede indhold. Snakkede med mange andre der også var oppe, og alle var enige i at det var meget tyndt.
Men bortset fra dette, er der så nogen dder ved hvad den optimale længe af en engelsk opgave er, og om hvorvidt der er et maksimum?

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Svar #6
24. maj 2007 af mememe (Slettet)

Ikke lige min drømme tekst.

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Svar #7
24. maj 2007 af mathiasn (Slettet)

Syntes der var mange spændende ting at tage fat på i teksten. Symbolikken og temaet var ikke til at tage fejl af, det var et stort plus... Men den oversættelse lå ikke i god jord hos mig :/

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Svar #8
25. maj 2007 af eightx2 (Slettet)

#5
Så vidt jeg er orienteret regnes der med en besvarelse på minimum 800 ord i alt, samtidig med at der ikke er en øvre grænse.

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Svar #9
25. maj 2007 af MA123 (Slettet)

hm.. hvad sagde I da at temaet var? Og hvor lagde I fokus?

Svar #10
25. maj 2007 af skytteq (Slettet)

#7 jeg synes at det var ufatteligt svært at finde noget symbolik i teksten.. Det eneste jeg fik skrevet under det punkt var, at mens Andy var i koma var der en distance i deres forhold, som også eksisterede efter han kom ud af komaet igen..

Generelt synes jeg at opgaven var meget svær, fordi der ikke skete så meget og man derfor blev nødt til at gå meget i dybden med de enkelte sætninger.

#5 På min skole har vi fået at vide at et essay (altså b-opgaven) skal fylde omkring 900 ord. Så det forsøgte jeg at holde mig til. Hvis man så skriver en af de andre opgaver - altså referatet eller en af opgaverne i c-delen så skal det fylde omkring 200 ord.

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Svar #11
25. maj 2007 af Djernaes (Slettet)

Jeg har fået af vide 600-800 ord mindst. Jeg synes det var en god tekst, det er rart når man kan tage konkrete eksempler til at vise hvad men mener og det kunne man nemt her. Jeg synes det var svært at skrive summary, netop fordi der ikke rigtig skete noget, så det var svært at skille det vigtige fra det mindre vigtige.
Altså jeg tog kun det tema med ikke at alle var kommet videre uden ham og han var meget opmærksom på at hans kone ikke længere havde brug for ham. Noget i den stil...
Der var én ting i oversættelsen der VIRKELIG irriterede mig.. "undervejs".. det kunne jeg bare ikke finde et rigtigt ord for, for i alle mine ordbøger tog de undervejs som "under way" og "during" og det kunne man bare ikke rigtigt bruge i sammenhængen synes jeg...

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Svar #12
25. maj 2007 af eightx2 (Slettet)

#11
Hvilke ordbøger har du da?
undervejs = on the way.

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Svar #13
26. maj 2007 af Djernaes (Slettet)

hmm, jeg bruger gyldendals røde og gads.. havde begge to med..

Jeg har skrevet in the running eller sådan noget :S

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Svar #14
26. maj 2007 af Kris18 (Slettet)

På det stiloplæg, som jeg fik, var der 2 essays. 1 om non-fiction og 1 fiction. På begge opgaver stod længden af opgaven til at skulle være fra 700-1000 ord.

Det mest morsomme var, at der i midt oplæg stod en masse fantastiske engelske ord, men indledningen afsluttes med: "(...) and realpolitik" :P..
Meget kikset i den engelske tekst!

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Svar #15
26. maj 2007 af Djernaes (Slettet)

Er du matematiks højniveau studerende så? Det kan godt være det er den nye ordning. For der får man da flere forskellige tekster. Er det ikke fordi realpolitik er et dansk opfundet ord, og de har brugt det som et egenavn. mener nemlig at have hørt at realpolitik er et ord danskerne har opfundet.
Ligesom hvis man skriver Fyn i en engelsk stil, så behøver man ikke oversætte det. :?

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Svar #16
26. maj 2007 af MA123 (Slettet)

Nogen der lige vil læse min b-del og sige hvad de sys om den...?? Fandt desværre lige selv nogle fejl da jeg læste den igennem her nu..

“The night was indigo and sultry, with a full moon. Static trickled up and down his neck. The world was as still as a forest that had been cut down. He felt like a small bird, hopping uncomprehendingly from stump to stump in the darkness.”
This quotation is taking from the short story called Andy comes back. The text is about the way a couple is drifting apart. It is about a man being absent in the family and all of a sudden does not fit into the frame any longer. You can be absent in many ways. Andrew is absent in the sense that he is mentally ill, that is why he does not participate in the family. But it is also possible to be absent in a more figurative sense when you become the individual human being that the modern society wants you to and push you to. You retreat from the family and withdraw from the social gathering.

Andy is the main character in the short story. He has three children and a wife who lives together in a house in a normal neighborhood which they moved to reluctantly because of his job. He had a rare disease that he survived, but instead he became mentally ill and mad. The story begins when he wakes up one morning well and healthy. He gets hurt by the way the nurse talks to him, like he does not understand that he suddenly went from a mentally ill man to a normal rational man, from Andy back to Andrew. The wife and the nurses have been calling him Andy since he became sick, a nickname he hates. Andy becomes the name you connect to the sick man. Andrew is his real name and the name he wants to be called, and becomes the name you connect to the real man. “”I’m sorry if I don’t seem delighted, Andy,” she began. “Have you been calling me Andy these past few years, Brom?” asked Andrew, who didn’t like to be called Andy. “Sorry. Yes. Sorry,” said Bromwyn, who didn’t mind being called Brom.”
Andrew knows that he is not welcome back in the house. He can feel it in the way his wife behaves, but he does not really care. He does not have the need for feeling at home here in this house, and he does not get angry when he finds out that all marks of his existents are gone. “The house was a single mother’s place now. Everything of his had been removed. He found this interesting, but didn’t mind much. Nothing he had ever possessed had been quite what he wanted anyway.” This quotation tells us that he was not satisfied with the way his life had turned out to be, and surely he does not want to fall back into it again.
He is not curios about meeting his children, which makes it clear that he is not engaged in the family. The three children that they have together relate to the situation more naturally than the wife does. In the evening they had always watched television also when the boys where younger. They are just sitting silent next to each other, an easy way to entertain the kids. When the boys are asleep they watch television as a couple. They talk about what they see, then they do not have to talk about the more difficult issues. Now he feels a bit closer to her because they are more alike when they talk about the television program. “He felt marginally closer to her, but knew it wouldn’t last.” He knows that the relationship will not last, but still he is not willing to fight for it.
“”Do you want to make love to me?” she asked. He could tell that if he touched her she would recoil. “Not tonight,” he said. It was true. His erection, hidden away in his oversized pyjamas, was not for her. It was for women in general.” You feel how insensitive they are when they are lying in bed. He wants to make love, but not with his wife who he is not attracted by any longer.
The wife just tries to cover the indifferent she feels for him by asking if he wants to make love. She is over him, because she realized that her husband would not come back when he was sick. She somehow forgets her husband Andrew and now only knows the man Andy, the man she visited at the nursing home. ““I’m falling asleep,” she announced thickly. “Good night, Andy.”” She still calls him Andy after he has become Andrew again.
The relationship is very awkward. “”How wonderful, darling,” said Andy’s wife. She reached across the bed and embraced him awkwardly, like a member of the Royal Family embracing a deformed child. There followed an excruciating silence.” She is cold and does not know how to handle the situation. The wife thinks about the house and the mess, and says that she has to clean up. She does that just to keep occupied. She tells him about what she has been doing to the house, because it is easier for her to relate to the materialistic things. A development has happened. She now has a driving license although she was a non-driver before Andrew lost his mind, and she also got a job. The wife has become a strong and independent single mother.
In the end of the story you are certain that the relationship will not last. When they go to bed, as I mentioned earlier, they are afraid of touching each other and are not interested in it. Andrew wakes up in the dark night. “He stepped out onto the veranda, leaving the door unlocked. There was nothing in the house he would mind a burglar stealing.” He does not care about anything in that house and does not mind loosing anything of what he got. Andrew leaves the house, walks away. He enjoys the silence, and feels as free as a bird. The neighborhood is dark and easy to get lost in, he does not know if he will be able to find his way back. This is also what the text is all about, when it is impossible for us to find the way back and get on the right track again we just leave it all behind us and finds our own way, which today also is the reason why so many people get divorced. The themes in the text are growing apart, lack of communication and modern society.

The couple has been drifting away from each other; they have been apart for a while and have changed their personality and outlook on life. Andrew now understands the impotents in living in the present. After his sickness it gets clear for him that noting in his former life means anything to him, he does not care about his life and he wants a new kind of life which is not possible to get with his family. The wife has also been prepared never to get her husband Andrew back and that is why she can not adapt to the thoughts about them being back together. In the modern society people are growing away from each other without intending to. A couple exists of two individuals with two different life and worlds. Being apart increases the difference between the two of them.

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Svar #17
26. maj 2007 af Djernaes (Slettet)

Jeg vil ikke udtale mig om det du har skrevet, fordi jeg ikke føler at jeg er den der skal vurdere det, det er næsten også farligt at få andre til at vurderer, hvis de nu synes den er rigtig god og du så får en lavere karakter end forventet :)

Men jeg synes godt nok der er mange citater, jeg har lært ca. 3 hovedcitater og bare ved at skimme den ligner det i hvert fald at du har betydeligt mere, men det kan godt være at mn godt må det hvis argumenterne er i orden.

Derudover mangler du linje-henvisninger på dine citater, og det har jeg fået af vide trækker ned.

Håber ikke det er alt for nedslående :)

Jeg har altid gerne ville starte med et citat, men fået af vide at det med at skrive: It's a story about.... er ikke en indledning (min lærer er meget streng :S), og opgaven siger jo også at B-opgaven ikke skal indeholde et summary og en streng censor vil måske nok sige at nogle ting i opgaven tangerer til at være det, men jeg ved det ikke.

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Svar #18
26. maj 2007 af ViSe (Slettet)

Hej..
Jeg er lidt forvirret.. For jeg var også til skriftlig engelsk eksamen torsdag (matematiker), og den novelle jeg skrev om hed "Mule Killers", er der nogen som har skrevet om den?

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Svar #19
26. maj 2007 af MA123 (Slettet)

Det er helt i orden! Min lærer har sagt til mig at det er godt at jeg bruger så mange citater, men det er der jo forskellige holdninger til.. håber censor kan lide det! Henvisningerne havde jeg i fodnoterne, er bare ikke taget med her..!

Men vil give dig ret i at det kan virke resume-agtigt, men endnu engang må jeg bare håbe at censor er med mig!

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Svar #20
26. maj 2007 af M_Malling (Slettet)

Jeg synes ikke det var det bedste. Har haft bedre stiloplæg. Jeg kunne formulere et tema, det var vildt irriterende og så var personerne så utroligt uinteressante. Og så sad jeg af helvede til, men det er ikke rigtig opgavens skyld.

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